Reporting UNG Sale Using TurboTax
I am not a tax or investment professional. I am not qualified to give advice on tax or investment. No one should follow my steps when preparing his or her tax return. I am not responsible if you do anyway and get in trouble with IRS or lose money on your investments.
On the other hand, if you are a tax or investment professional, I’d love feedbacks about these partnership ETFs.
Investing in UNG
In 2008 I put some money in UNG, United State Natural Gas Fund. I thought it would be a sure thing. (Recovery always leads to rising energy demand, right?) In December I finally threw in the towel and closed that position with a loss.
When I invested I didn’t know UNG was organized as partnership. I was surprised when I received a Schedule K-1. Turns out many commodity and currency funds (USO, UGA, EUO, YCL, for example) are organized as partnerships.
When I sold all UNG shares, I hoped TurboTax could handle the sale easily. It didn’t, mostly because of the strange quirks and bugs it had. But after trials and errors, I finally got it to produce a useful tax return.
Better write down everything before I forget.
Schedules K-1 and TurboTax Premier
I used TurboTax Premier 2010 to prepare my return. I liked its interview feature for Schedules K-1. Sometimes the questions were confusing, but it asked all the important questions.
Before starting, I imported my 2009 return and updated everything except Schedules K-1. When TurboTax asked, I told it I would update them later. When I finished I saved and backed up my return. This allowed me to go back and restart when mistakes messed things up.
To update UNG K-1, I
- clicked on the “Federal Taxes” tab.
- clicked on on the heading “Wages & Income” then on “Explore on My Own” (blue words under the “EasyGuide” button).
- scrolled down to “Business Income and Expenses” section and clicked on the “Update” button for “Schedules K-1, Q”. TurboTax changed the button from the usual “Start” to “Update” because I already visited this section once.
The Interview
Many questions in the interview were straightforward.
Q: Do you want to review schedules K-1 or Q?
A: Yes.
Q: Tell us about your Schedules K-1.
A: I clicked on the “Update” button for partnership/LLCs (Form 1065). My UNG Schedule K-1 was Form 1065.
Q: Partnership/LLC K-1 summary (list of Schedules K-1 from 2009).
A: I clicked on the “Edit” button of UNG to update it.
Q: Is this information correct? (verify name of partnership, ID number, ownership)
A: Part I, Boxes A & B; and Part II, Box F.
Q: Select the type of partner (limited or general)
A: Part II, item G. Most people are limited partners. General partners run funds like UNG.
First Trick Question
Q: Describe the partnership. Check any that applies:
- This is a publicly traded partnership;
- This is a foreign partnership
- This partnership ended in 2010
- I received an amended K-1
- None of these apply.
A: This is the first trick question:
- publicly trade: in Part I, box D.
- Foreign partnership: I couldn’t find an answer on UNG K-1, but I was pretty sure the answer was no.
- Amended K-1: Answer came from the “Amended K-1” check box at the top of the K-1, right above Part III.
- Partnership ended in 2010: “No” because UNG is still trading? Wrong! The correct answer came from the “Final K-1” check box, next to the “Amended K-1” check box.
The statement “This partnership ended in 2010” was misleading. TurboTax didn’t want to know whether UNG was still active. It wanted to know whether I sold all my shares. I did, and I received a final K-1 from UNG. Why didn’t TurboTax just ask about that?
Checking the “partnership ended in 2010” box led to the next few questions that helped calculating my loss.
Q: Describe Partnership Disposal
A: Complete. My order to sell all shares were executed in full.
Q: Tell us about your sale
A: Sold it.
Q: Enter sales date (and purchase date)
A: 1099-R.
Second Trick Question
Q: Enter sale prices (price, expense, basis, and gains too)
A: Tricky because of a software bug.
- Sale price and selling expense: I had to leave the “Selling Expense” box blank. The net sales proceeds was entered in the “Sale Price” box.
- Partnership basis: I entered the amount from Part II, Item L, “Withdrawals & Distributions”, but as a positive number instead of a negative one.
- Ordinary gains: My UNG K-1 came with a sales schedule. It reported no gains.
- 1250 gains: as far as I can tell, not applicable to UNG.
From the information entered TurboTax automatically created a new entry on Schedule D for the sale. This however became the second entry on Schedule D for my UNG sale. The first was created when TurboTax downloaded 1099-R from E*Trade. I deleted the first entry after updating UNG K-1.
The “Selling Expense” box had to be blank because of a TurboTax bug. Normally, when shares are sold, a broker reports the net proceeds on 1099-R, to be copied to Schedule D. TurboTax however added the expense to the partnership basis, and copied the gross proceeds to Schedule D. This created mismatches between 1099-R, of which IRS got a copy, and my Schedule D. To work around this bug I provided TurboTax with net proceeds and left the expense box blank.
“Partnership basis” was a new concept I had to learn.
Partners generally pay taxes on the partnership’s income annually, whether it is distributed or not. To avoid double taxation, IRS allows a partner to add his share of income to his original cost basis. (Similarly, a partner is allowed to subtract his share of losses to decrease his cost basis.) The result is the adjusted basis, from which capital gain or loss is calculated. In fact, on the sales schedule UNG provided instructions on calculating adjusted basis.
The adjusted basis also appeared on my final K-1. When I bought shares and became a new partner, UNG created a capital account in which it “deposited” my investment. From that point gains were added and losses were subtracted. When I sold my shares, I “withdrew” the remaining capital and the account was closed. For this reason the amount shown in “Withdrawals & Distributions” matched my adjusted basis.
Passive or Not?
Back to the interview. Next few interview questions covered income and losses reported in Section III.
Q: Choose type of activity
A: Business. UNG K-1 showed a number in Box 1.
Q: Enter Box 1 info
A: OK. Copy from Box 1.
Here I found another bug. TurboTax was supposed to find out whether I “materially” participated in the partnership, but that question did not come up. When I eventually marked the correct answer using TurboTax’s Forms view, the answer didn’t matter anyway.
When a partner materially participates in the partnership, his income or loss is non-passive. Non-passive losses are reported on Schedule E to offset income, but passive losses can be deducted only against passive income. So when a loss is reported in Box 1, it is important to determine whether it is passive. For UNG, the supplemental information page clearly states:
Under Temporary Regulations Section 1.469-1T(e)(6), none of the distributive share items reported to you on the Schedule K-1 are considered to be derived from a passive activity.
For the last two years I had small losses reported in Box 1. I wanted to report them on Schedule E, but TurboTax wouldn’t do that automatically. Instead it marked them as passive loss carryover because I had no other passive income. Fortunately the amounts were small and I was allowed to deduct them when I closed my UNG position.
Q: Check boxes that have an amount.
A: My UNG K-1 had numbers only in Boxes 5, 6a, 11, and 20.
Q: Enter info from Boxes 4-7
A: Simple, except the two boxes about interest and dividend from U.S. obligations. It took me a while to find the answers. On the supplemental info page UNG reported that 73.42% of interest and dividend was from U.S. Government obligations.
Q: Enter Box 11 Info
A: I entered an amount for Code C and another for Code F. The latter led to the next question.
Q: Enter Code F detail
- Recoveries
- Section 751(b) gain or loss
- Capital gain that is not portfolio income
- Other non-passive income (loss)
- I have another description item
A: Because UNG distributions were non-passive, I selected “Other non-passive income”. This led to two more boxes asking for a description and an amount. I entered the amount for Code F and a description found (again) on the supplemental info page, “Net ordinary income (loss) from swaps”.
Almost Done
Q: Enter Box 20 Info
A: Copy from Box 20. Straightforward.
Q: Describe the Partnership (check any that applies)
- Unreimbursed supplemental business expenses
- Passive activity losses from last year
- All investment at risk
- paid health or long-term care insurance
A: For my UNG partnership, all of my investment wa at risk, and I had passive activity loss carryover.
TurboTax had a pretty good explanation of “at-risk rules”. (It popped up when I clicked on “Explain this”.) Basically, the rules say a partner can’t claim losses greater than the maximum he can possibly lose. For me, that amount was all the money invested in UNG.
TurboTax imported my passive activity loss carryover from 2009 return.
Q: Report Carryovers – Regular Tax
A: Default answers imported from 2009 return.
Q: Any other carryovers?
A: Default answers again.
Q: Report AMT carryovers
A: Default.
Q: Report other AMT carryovers
A: Once again, default answers.
That was the last interview question. However the UNG K-1 was not complete. Info like capital account analysis was not touched in the interview. On the other hand TurboTax got all it needed for tax calculation. To be complete, I switched to the Forms view and updated the remaining fields.
More Questions for New K-1
One week after receiving UNG K-1, I received another K-1. It was from EUO, ProShares UltraShort Euro. For this new K-1 the interview flow was slightly different.
Q: Partnership/LLC K-1 summary (list of my Schedules K-1 from 2009).
A: I clicked on the “Add Another K-1” button.
Q: Enter partnership name.
A: Part I, Box A.
Q: Enter identification information (ownership and ID number)
A: Ownership: Part II, Box F. ID number: Part I, Box A.
Q: Choose the type of partner (limited or general)
A: Part II, item G.
Q: Choose the type of partner (domestic or foreign)
A: Part II, item H.
Q: Enter the percentage of your share
A: Part II, item J.
Q: Enter your liability share
A: Part II, item K.
Q: Enter capital account information
A: Part II, item L. I made a mistake here initially, entering a positive number for “Withdrawals & Distributions”. When I double checked, I saw this item looking like this on Schedule K-1:
$(x,xxx)
I completely missed the parenthesis.
Other Thoughts
There is one thing about the ETFs that puzzles me: When I sold my shares, I expected the capital withdrawn from the partnership to match gross proceeds from the sale. That didn’t happen. For UNG I got less. For EUO I got more. This seems odd for ETFs as liquid as UNG and EUO.
Update on 04/01/2011
I just looked over the UNG K-1s again. It didn’t report any capital losses! None over 2 1/2 years. Perhaps that caused the difference between capital account and sale price. I wonder what they do with expiring contracts.
24 Comments:
Saved my bacon by posting this, crazy complicated.
Glad to help.
Wasted 3 nights on the UNG K1 and was wondering how come the loss on box F is not showing up as all. Thanks for posting that I need to check "Other non-passive income". Thanks for posting this online!!
Thanks for the helpful info! Do you mind explaining what you did in the previous years before you sold UNG? Since you still receive K-1's even if you didn't sell it.
I did not sell my UNG shares last year, but still received a K-1.
The screen where it asks if this is a publicly traded partnership (you selected this partnership ended in 2010), I selected it is a publicly traded partnership since I still held on to the shares.
It eventually led me to the enter code F detail page. As my K-1 had another description item, I selected I have another description item that I entered.
I thought I was done, but when I tried to file, it gave me an error that stated
"Sch K-1 Wks-Partnerships (United States Natural Gas Fund, L.P.) -- Sch K-1 Partnership Additional Info 1: Other Income Code F Line 6 Amount-1 and other items in this section add to a total of 1600. This total exceeds the Schedule K-1 entry for code F of -402. Please review and correct your entries."
Any idea what's going on here? Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks!
By the way, 1,600 was the number in the "units" column. There is also a "broker" column that stated "188". I assumed that was referring to a specific broker and not for me to enter...
Sorry Eric, I don't know what causes your problem. For partnerships that I didn't sell (still have some), I did what you did, not selecting the "partnership ended" check box.
Can you delete this K-1 and start over? I'm suggesting this because TurboTax bugs can manifest themselves in the strangest ways. For example, this year I made a mistake when entering the cost basis of a stock. I purchased all shares on the same day, but I entered two different lots from a different stock. I discovered the error and corrected it by going through the interview again. But capital gain was still wrong. What happened was TurboTax used all THREE lots, the two incorrect ones plus the correct one, for calculations. I had to delete the multiple lot worksheet to fix this problem.
USO / UNG folks provide a website that generates .txf files for your K-1 at https://www.taxpackagesupport.com/unitedstatescommodityfunds
In the help section (as you generate the .txf file) tells you how to import the .txf into turbotax.
Beach Blogger, thanks for the tip. Wish I knew about UNG website earlier. Although I still needed to enter other K-1s, I could certainly use some help.
Someone else just told me that .txf has less information than K-1/tax package. so be careful.
Thanks for the response MacBruins. I started over without any success =( I think it's because maybe I'm reporting the "another description item" incorrectly? So I have supplemental information of -402 (link below) and another page that I thought was for "another description item called "AC BUY" (link below). Was I suppose to use the first link's value of -402 instead of the second value of "units"? Sorry to bug you, but this is the last item of my tax return and I can't wait to get this done with! Thanks for any help you can provide!
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Eric, now I understand your problem. You made two mistakes. First, instead of selecting "I have another description item", you should select "Other non-passive income (loss)". TurboTax will then ask your for a description and a dollar amount for this income/loss. Here is your second mistake. You entered the number of shares instead of a dollar amount. Please re-read the "Passive or Not" section.
Wish I had found your site earlier. I'm wondering why my TT Premier did not make the sales entry in sch D from the K-1 step by step data as you indicated it should. Also, you indicate to enter a positive number for the Part2 line L withdrawals & distributions even thought it is a negative number on the K-1. Is that right?
Thanks for posting the data in this blogg. I hope you keep it open for many years. MG
I wasn't able to edit my above post. After looking at the K-1 in TT forms the Withdrawals & distribution has to be entered as a negative number so that the next line "Ending Capital Account" will be zero which agrees with the K-1 received or am I missing something?
Dokie, did you check the "partnership ended in 2010" box? When you do, TurboTax asks for the partnership basis If your withdrawal/distribution is negative, enter it as a positive number in the basis box. In Forms view, the withdrawals/distribution number should be same as your K-1. If it's negative on your K-1, enter a negative number.
Great blog, thanks for the info.
I was on google trying to find some info.
This year I received K1 from both USO & UNG that I own. But I have not sold any of it yet, so my question is do I have to enter it on my tax return?
Please help. Thanks!
I entered all the info for K-1 but box 11 code F is throwing me off. Not sure how to do it.
I have a negative 200 dollar loss reported as 11 F
How should I handle this, any help would be greatly appreciated.
csetopper: 1. Thank you. 2. You do need to enter your K-1s, and it seems you already did. 3. Box 11, Code F is covered in the blog. The two Q&A right BEFORE the heading "Almost Done" show how I handled my UNG Box 11.
Thank you so much for your post. It is very helpful. the only thing I needed to change is as follows:
Partnership basis: I entered the amount from Part II, Item L, “Withdrawals & Distributions”, but as a positive number instead of a negative one.
Your k-1 should have a sales worksheet, which gave you a cost base adjustment, you need to add it to your purchase cost of the partnership. That is your partnership cost.
Thanks again.
Xiaodong, I'm glad you find the entry useful.
Regarding your comment on partnership basis: I did mention that instructions for calculating adjusted basis are on the sale schedule. But more importantly, I want to write down what I did in this specific case to help me remember the reasons for my actions. In fact I learned to calculate adjusted basis before I received my K-1 and did not follow UNG's instructions. I only used the sales schedule to confirm my own calculations.
Thanks for this blog, it really helps to understand the K-1 issue with Turbo Tax. I entered 'Partnership basis' as you mentioned in above steps but 'Sale Price' also should be entered without which TT gives error and can't be submitted. If i enter Sale Price, i have noticed in the Final review that UNG has been reported second time in the Form-8949.
Then, I found bellow Workaround from TT :
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TurboTax Support
https://turbotax.intuit.com/support/iq/Other-Common-Income/Unable-To-Indicate-K-1-Partnership-Disposition-Was-Listed-On-A-1099-B/SLN59791.html?direct=true&feedback=true
Unable To Indicate K-1 Partnership Disposition Was Listed On A 1099-B
Updated: 3/20/2012
Article ID: SLN59791
If you have a K-1 Partnership Disposition of Interest that was Reported on a 1099-B.
There is currently "No" way to indicate in the program that it was reported on a 1099-B.
Workaround:
This is a two step process.
Fist we will edit the K-1.
Then we will re-enter the Information as a 1099-B to correctly report the information on Form 8949 and your Schedule D.
To Edit Your K-1
Revisit the K-1 interview, and enter "Zero" for your basis and sale price on the "Enter Sales Prices" screen.
To Enter as a 1099-B
Next, visit the Stocks, Mutual Funds, Bonds, Other section
Continue, until you get to the Investment sales Summary
Select "Add Another Investment Sale"
Select "Enter on a Spreadsheet"
Enter you information about your Publicly Traded Partnership Disposition
Make sure you answer the question, Reported on a 1099-B Statement?
"Select A"
Thanks MacBruins for making one of the few posts I could find on the interwebs about buying partnership shares on the open market. I have a more general question that I hope you or someone here can help me with.
I thought the rule "with buying stock the investor's risk is limited to the purchase price payed for the stock" is generally true for everything you can buy in an brokerage account. I bought shares CEP and eventually got rid of them in the same year at a loss. CEP is an Texas LLP and I got this K-1 in the mail. Maybe I am wrong, but it looks like I have to add "income" besides the stock transaction itself. This means I am liable for the LLP's tax, in addition to the price I paid for the shares, is that right? Am I understanding something wrong? Or should I have received this "income" as real cash as well? (don't think I got any)
The burden is bearable this time, but they could just as easy hit me with a six figure tax liability, I had no idea what I was signed up for. How is this possible?
Thanks for any clues you can give me.
I've owned UNG for a few years now and every year I come back to this post to re-learn how to do my K-1 in TurboTax -- HUGE thanks for helping me.
I'm planning on (finally) dumping UNG and I had a couple dumb questions I was hoping you could weigh-in on. I realize you are not a tax or investment professional and all that...
First, when I jump into TurboTax next year, will I enter the sale of UNG (and the capital loss) in the same section as my stock sales, or do I ONLY enter my UNG sale in the same place as the K-1? I don't want to double-count anything and because I have a sizeable overall loss, I want to make sure it gets "banked" to offset capital gains. Which leads me to question #2:
Will my capital loss in UNG offset a potential capital gain in a "regular" stock? I think that's a simple "YES" answer but, honestly, with all the "Partner Losses" and everything else I've seen over the past couple of years, my head is spinning. I want to makes sure that an ETF/ETN capital loss can offset a stock capital gain.
Any thoughts you can share are appreciated. Thanks so much!!
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